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Did God Allow Noah To Eat Meat?

The passage of Genesis 9:2-4 was the subject of great debate and controversy. After years of study and research and virtually leaving no stone unturned on the subject, to date I have not read a commentary on the passage which is worthy of a serious consideration. Generally it is argued that here we have the first biblical passage where God explicitly told Noah that he may kill any animal he wanted to in order to eat its flesh. Even vegetarians who abhor meat eating and who practice vegetarianism on ethical grounds admit that here we are faced with a biblical text which clearly sanctions the killing of animals and eating of their flesh. All they can say is that due to the fallen and corrupt nature of humanity God gave a “concession” concerning meat diet but it was not His ideal as in Genesis 1:30 where God ideally prescribed a completely vegetarian diet. But nothing can be further from the truth.
 

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Did Jesus Eat Fish?

 There is only one passage in the whole of the New Testament where it is explicitly and specifically said that Jesus actually ate meat. If this text is true and genuine and in fact inspired by the Holy Spirit, then it would follow that Jesus was not and could not have been a vegetarian. But if on the other hand it can be satisfactorily demonstrated that this passage in Luke 24 is actually a forgery, then it follows that Jesus must have been a vegetarian, since a lying hand felt a need to insert a lying passage in order to portray Jesus as a carnivorous being.

The Lost Books Of The Bible PDF Print E-mail
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Tuesday, 28 April 2009 08:27




There was a time when the Bible did not exist. It is said that God made lots of things during the six days of creation but it is nowhere stated that God actually made the Bible. In fact, human beings lived on this Earth for several millennia without the Bible. Even the great heroes of the Bible were born and died without ever laying their eyes on the book we call the Bible. Cain and Abel were raised in the knowledge of God, but they never read a single word from the Bible. Enoch pleased God and was translated even though he had no Bible to show him the way to salvation. Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, and host of others lived and died without having the Bible, yet they all pleased God and are declared righteous. Even in the days of Jesus, the Bible was unknown in its present form. This is not only true of the Christian Bible - with Old and New Testaments - but it is also true of the Jewish Bible. Neither Jesus nor the Jews in general possessed the Bible in its present Masoretic form. The Christian Bible - with 66 books in all - was finally approved and officially accepted at the Council of Carthage in 397 c.e. The Jewish Bible was finally approved and canonised in Jamnia about 70 c.e.

The bulk of the Old Testament books were written in the post-exilic era. Those which were written prior to this time were later revised by the Jewish editors and redactors. But these Jewish editors have gone much further than just revising some of the books which are now a part of the Jewish and Christian canons. They have actually discarded many books altogether. That’s right. Many books which were written by the prophets of Israel were discarded and rejected and left out of the present canon of Scripture. I am not referring to Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha. I am referring to books which are attested to by the very Bible itself. The prophets Samuel, Nathan, Gad, Ahijah, Iddo, and Shemiah actually wrote books to which the later Jewish writers and redactors had access to. In fact, they have written 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, and 1 and 2 Chronicles more or less on the information they found in those books. Frankly speaking, there was no need for the canonical books above mentioned to be written at all. Those discarded books were written by the holy prophets describing in detail the points the later redactors only deal with partially. These books that the ancient prophets wrote could be called the Bible before the Bible. These books are now called the lost books of the Bible because the Jewish editors and redactors discarded them and refused to incorporate them in the later Jewish Bible. That these books really existed is quite simple to demonstrate. In 2 Chronicles 9:29 we read:


“As for the other events of Solomon’s reign, from beginning to end, are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet, in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite and in the visions of Iddo the seer?”

All three were prophets. All three wrote historical books which contained a full version and account of Solomon’s reign. The account in Chronicles was merely an abridged version. But these books were left out of the canonical Bible. They are no part of the Jewish and Christian Bibles. They are either lost or suppressed. In 2 Chronicles 12:15 we read:

“As for the events of Rehoboam’s reign, from beginning to end, are they not written in the records of Shemiah the prophet and of Iddo the seer?”

Shemiah was a prophet from Shiloh. He instructed King Rehoboam not to wage war with Jeroboam who was the king of the Ten Tribes [1 Kings 12:22]. Prophet Shemiah was well informed of the events of his day. Regrettably his book is not available to us because the Jewish editors and scribes simply decided to discard it and not include it in the Bible. 1 Chronicles 29:29 says:

“As for the events of King David’s reign, from beginning to end, they are written in the records of Samuel the seer, the records of Nathan the prophet, and records of Gad the seer, together with the details of his reign and power, and the circumstances that surrounded him and Israel and the kingdoms of all other lands.”

The three important prophets wrote a full account of David’s reign. They also wrote of the “Gentiles” and their kings. The author of Chronicles wrote only a partial account of David’s life. But the book of Samuel was lost and suppressed. It was not incorporated in the Bible. So we are now deprived of this book even though it was written by Samuel the Prophet, who was surely greater than the later Jewish redactors and editors. It seems that the Jewish redactor had a good reason to reject and discard the book of Samuel - as well as other books. These books obviously said things that did not suit the Jews of the post-exilic era. The Record of Samuel is of special interest. It is said that he wrote a full account of David’s reign - from beginning to end. But how could this have been the case when the canonical books of Samuel clearly show that Samuel died before David even became king? Samuel died while King Saul was still the king. Is it not related that the medium of Endor consulted the ghost of Samuel at the request of Saul? How then could  Samuel write a book in which he fully described the reign of David? If the text of 1 Chronicles 29:29 is really true, then the stories and accounts given in the canonical books of Samuel are fictions. 2 Chronicles 26:22 says:

“The other events of Jehoshaphat’s reign, from beginning to end, are written in the annals of Jehu son of Hanani.”

Again this text verifies the fact that the books of Chronicles contained only an abridged account of the kings of Judah and Israel. The full accounts were written in books which are now lost. In the books that were written by prophets but which were also suppressed and discarded by the Jewish hierarchy of the post-exilic times, when the Bible was compiled by Ezra the priest. Now it is significant that the Samaritans accused Ezra of falsifying the Pentateuch and the Hebrew Scriptures in general. 2 Chronicles 33:18-19 shows that the reign of Manasseh and his prayer and the places where he built idolatrous places of worship are all written in the RECORDS OF HOZAI. But again, this book is lost because it was discarded and rejected by the later Jewish scribes. The author of the Jewish Pentateuch also had access to a book called The Book Of The Wars Of Yahweh [Numbers 21:13-14]. This is what the New Unger’s Bible Dictionary on p. 179, has to say concerning this book:

“Book of the Wars of the Lord represents a memento of a larger literary development in early Old Testament times than is represented in the canonical books. This early literary work, probably poetical, existed in Mosaic times. It was likely a collection of odes celebrating God’s glorious acts toward Israel and recited over campfires, just as Bedouin do today.”

This book was known to the Jewish redactors and editors. But it was not incorporated in the present canonical Bible for reasons best known to the Jewish redactors. This book contained much of early Israelite history but it was discarded probably because it was not to the liking of the later Jewish hierarchy. There was also another book which is mentioned in Joshua 10:13. It was called The Book Of Jashar. This book is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 1:18. It was not completed until at least the days of David, since some of his acts are recorded in this book. The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary, on p. 179, says:

“The Book of Jashar seems to have been an early national chronicle of events, in Israel that stretched over several centuries of the early history of the Hebrews.”

Why was not this important book included in the Bible together with the later writings? Was there something to hide? Why did the Jewish redactors choose to write their own version of Israel’s history - in the books of Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles - rather than simply retain all the books to which they have referred? After all, according to their own testimony, these books contained a fuller account of what they were writing. It seems that these books were not to the liking of the Jewish scribes so they have elected to discard them and write their own abridged version of the history of Israel. Who gave the right and permission to the Jewish compilers of the Bible to discard and reject all these books? Who gave them authority to write their own version of events and then incorporate them in the Bible - labelling it God’s Word? Imagine if I was now to discard all the books of the Bible and then write my own version of the Bible claiming that it is the Holy Bible. Would not both the Jews and Christians condemn me to the fires of Gehenna? But if I was to destroy all the present versions of the Bible and promote my own version, the future generations would have no access to the Bible as we know it but would have to rely on the version I left them - whether true or false. That is exactly what the Jewish redactors had done. They had discarded the Bible before the Bible and they have left us the Bible they wrote and some other books which they have heavily edited. The books of Kings and Chronicles were not written until the time of Cyrus - the Persian king.  The books of Samuel were not written by Samuel, since according to their own testimony, Samuel was long dead before most of the events occurred that are described in these books. The book of Ezra and Nehemiah were written at the end of Babylonian captivity. The same is true of the books of Daniel, Zechariah, and Haggai. This may sound incredible, but it’s true. Even the books of Moses, Joshua and Judges were not written until the post-exilic era. Internal evidence bears record to the same. In 2 Chronicles 26:22 we find this significant remark:

“The other events of Uzziah’s reign, from beginning to end, are recorded by the prophet Isaiah son of Amoz.”

Here we are told that Prophet Isaiah wrote a detailed account of King Uzziah’s reign - from beginning to end. This detailed account is nowhere to be found in the book of Isaiah now found in the Jewish and Christian Bibles. In this book we find no account at all except that King Uzziah’s name is merely mentioned in 1:1, 6:1, and 7:1. Where is this book that Isaiah wrote? Or could it be that some things were discarded from the canonical book of Isaiah? In any event, it is obvious that the Jewish redactors tampered with the original writings of the holy prophets. There are many books referred to in the Old Testament which were discarded by later Jewish redactors. Not even a single book of all these was actually incorporated in the present canonical Bible. Here is the complete list of these books and the references where they are actually mentioned:

1.     The Book Of The Wars Of Yahweh [Numbers 21:14].
2.     The Book Of Jashar [Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18].
3.     The Book Of The Acts Of Solomon [1 Kings 11:41].
4.     The Book Of The Annals Of The Kings Of Israel [1 Kings 14:19; 15:31; 16:5,14,20,27; 2 Chronicles 20:34].
5.     The Book Of The Annals Of The Kings Of Judah [1 Kings 14:29; 15:7,23; 22:45; 2 Kings 8:23; 12:19].
6.     The Book Of The Annals Of King David [1 Chronicles 27:24].
7.     The Chronicles Of Samuel The Seer, The Chronicles Of Nathan the Prophet, The Chronicles Of Gad The Seer [1 Chronicles 29:29].
8.      The Records Of Nathan The Prophet, The Prophecy Of Ahijah The Shilonite, The Visions Of Iddo The Seer [2 Chronicles 9:29].
9.     The Histories Of Shemiah The Prophet and of Iddo The Seer [2 Chronicles 12:15].
10.     The Commentary Of The Prophet Iddo [2 Chronicles 13:22].
11.     The Commentary Of The Books Of The Kings [2 Chronicles 24:27].
12.     The Acts Of Uzziah [2 Chronicles 26:22].
13.     The Book Of The Kings Of Judah And Israel [2 Chronicles 32:32].
14.     The Records Of The Kings Of Israel [2 Chronicles 33:18].
15.     The Book Of The Chronicles [Nehemiah 12:23].
16.     The Records Of Hozai [2 Chronicles 33:19].
17.     The Book Of Isaiah [2 Chronicles 26:22].
18.     The Lamentations [2 Chronicles 35:25-26].

Quite a library of lost work. And some of these books were very significant and would greatly enhance our knowledge of the history of early Israel. But there is nothing we can do. Should any of these books be ever discovered, it could not be added to the Bible, since the canon is long closed.









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written by vince, January 03, 2011
brother , you should be ashamed of yourself , attacking the world like that dony you realise whay you are doing , you are destorying peoples faith like this with comments wich are not only absurd but show a complete lack of knowledge . First of all we have found the book of jasher and it perfectly fits with the current scriptures it only expands upon what we already know and it does not contradict the bible . As to about scribes tampering with the masoritic text yes but only when it comes to the name of the creator . And small details , brother have you heard of the dead sea scrolls ? wich predates the masoritic text by a 1000 years and there have been found even earlier documents and guess what they perfectly proof that that scriptures have been passed down faithfully . So your whole paranoide vieuw of the scriptures being a fraud is a lie . you havent studied the torah havent you if you would you would see how everything in the tanach fulfills perfectly the new testament evry act every deed in the old testament has a fulfilling in the new testament its a miracle so what on earth are you talking about . As jesus being a non meat eater you seem to imply that the part of the torah to clean foods is a forgery , while it has already been proven that kosher laws of leviticus are a miracle themselves cause compared with modern knowledge of deceases it has been shown that the israelites had a food diet wich was divinely inspired with knowledge 3500 years ahead of their time as compared to the their canaanite neighbours who were dying of eating snakes spiders etc the whole torah is divinely inspired nothing is a forgery do you uinderstand that ? the bible as translated from the dead sea scrolls is perfect as it is and even if those lost books were ever found are you realy that naive to think that suddenly we would have a whole new bible common man , the only thing they would do is elaborate upon what is already a reliable and perfect presentation of the word of god . As archaelogy discoveries perfectly confirm the events in the scriptures to the detail . And for your information the new testament has survived in the language it was written in namely aramaic and was handed down from the apostels themselves to eastrn church so there goes your idea of tampering with new testament . I hope you realise the weight you are doing and thta you will answer for your words on judgement day i know you do not mean bad , but you are denying that the bible is divinly inspired , while you teach people lies yourselves like the false lunar sabbath and cresent moon theories wich come straight from babylon . remeber the verse of the 3 unclean spirits like frogs what do teach from prohibiting people to marry and to SUBSTAIN FROM FOODS ORDAINED BY ELOHIM wich is exactly what you are telling people so here the bible tells me that what is coming out of your mouth is inspired by demons . Look i just want to urge you brother stop this you dont know what you are doing yourself and the people who read this . If you have lost faith in the scriptures than thats your buisness why do you feel the need to try and steal other peoples faith . With information wich is mostly false ? There is nothing wrong with the scriptures they are a perfect divinly inspired whole of events faithfully recorded with some things messed with the masorites but this was restored again by the dead sea scrolls. The eating of clean animals is perfectly scriptual david was not a idiolater and if you would read the book of jashar you would then you would know the origins of these teraphim and you would see that yashar wich has been found written in hebrew and was given to to the people agrees with our modern bibles . I hope you see that you are wrong and what you are doing you are being led by away by your own imagination and to make matter worse you are so convinces of your own fables that you wantv to destroy peoples faith in the bible . wich has been proven time and time again to be reliable and inspired or do you think that god is not able to preserve his word ? do you realy believe for a moment that the almighty would pass down a fraud ? i hope you repent of these herecies and realise that you are wrong and the word is right . By the way if the scribes realy forged together there own bible stories from these lost books they would have been smart enough to not mention these books at all . Stop attacking the word brother judgement day is coming
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written by dominick virgilio, August 27, 2012
don't forget the gospel of the HOLY TWELVE YESHUA THE GREATEST VEGAN HEALTH NUT TO EVER LIVE, CONSTINTINE AND THE COUNCIL ALSO TRSAHED THE "ESSENES" AND "THE ESSENE GOSPEL OF PEACE" PAUL SAID IT WAS OK TOO EAT MEAT, THEN PAUL CAN NOT EVEN LEAD YOU TOO SALVATION IN CHRIST, THATS SAD BECAUSE I LOVE PAUL!
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written by Brandon Fredericks, March 15, 2015
Thank you for your view of things, I was searching around for books containing "the commentary of the prophet iddo" which my minster mentioned today in church and said we should read, your site came up in my search, I am not saying i agree with you about the bible being fake or lies, but I do love to see both sides of the story in this topic, even tho I dont agree about all of it, I do know alot of things have been changed over the years, but either way when I do research, I research both sides of the story, so thank you for your side of things, which will help in my research, if you can think of any actual paper books that cover Iddo, please let me know.
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The lost Books of The Bible
written by Menachem ben Dan, September 18, 2016
Baruch Ha Shem!
Brethern, as we sit and converse concerning such a topic, anyone of intellect, is aware of the gains and losses of mankind. As Evil Inclination is the footstool of the earth, we must further concentrate beyond typical 1st Level anecdotes, that the world relies upon. With four levels of understanding in scripture and, 613 commandments in Torah, written twice, there is and will always be misunderstandings during exploration of known scripture, as well as questions of missing, lost, farcical or unimportant books, scripture and meanings, that few understand. And Yes! There is always two sides to "OPINIONS", and both must be addressed. However, "La Shanhara", known as the worst sin to commit known to the Jew, is telling the truth to another about someone, with intent to do harm. As one speaks of another, they should keep in mind, that the Gentile Christian 10 Commandments, easily apply to the Jew, in ways few Jews understand. La Shanara is murder, (do not kill),adultery, by using others to destroy their integrity, (do commit adultery), and the list goes on. Spiritually, Physically, Emotionally, Psychologically committing any of the Noahide Laws, is even more dangerous of GeHenom, than the Gentile is of Hades. Share, Debate, Discuss, but take care not to destroy each other or another, in order to prove a point, that HaShem would find Moot.
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The lost Books of The Bible
written by Menachem ben Dan, September 18, 2016
Baruch Ha Shem!
Brethern, as we sit and converse concerning such a topic, anyone of intellect, is aware of the gains and losses of mankind. As Evil Inclination is the footstool of the earth, we must further concentrate beyond typical 1st Level anecdotes, that the world relies upon. With four levels of understanding in scripture and, 613 commandments in Torah, written twice, there is and will always be misunderstandings during exploration of known scripture, as well as questions of missing, lost, farcical or unimportant books, scripture and meanings, that few understand. And Yes! There is always two sides to "OPINIONS", and both must be addressed. However, "La Shanhara", known as the worst sin to commit known to the Jew, is telling the truth to another about someone, with intent to do harm. As one speaks of another, they should keep in mind, that the Gentile Christian 10 Commandments, easily apply to the Jew, in ways few Jews understand. La Shanara is murder, (do not kill),adultery, by using others to destroy their integrity, (do commit adultery), and the list goes on. Spiritually, Physically, Emotionally, Psychologically committing any of the Noahide Laws, is even more dangerous of Gehinnen, than the Gentile is of Hades. Share, Debate, Discuss, but take care not to destroy each other or another, in order to prove a point, that HaShem would find Moot.
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I'm no bible scholar,...
written by Eddy, December 28, 2016
but I have studied enough to know you don't have your facts straight.
For one thing, you, if you're even a Christian, seem to forget whose actually in charge of authoring and preserving scripture. Aka, the bible.
While I agree, there's much to learn about extra canonical books, if they were intended to be "The rooted of God" He would have made sure they were! And just because we don't have textual proof of God's written instructions to His followers other than what we have, doesn't mean they had nothing. Purple have been speaking, writing and reading since Adam and Eve. God is organized and orderly.. Knowledge round have been written down and passed down. Unlike us, people back then didn't wonder if it was true. Especially pre flood. Adam lived 930 years And everyone, literally, were family!
There's much more to this story that you seem to be ignorant of.
No offense, but study the scholars first, then gotten an opinion.
Aloha.
Eddy

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