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The passage of Genesis 9:2-4 was the subject of great debate and controversy. After years of study and research and virtually leaving no stone unturned on the subject, to date I have not read a commentary on the passage which is worthy of a serious consideration. Generally it is argued that here we have the first biblical passage where God explicitly told Noah that he may kill any animal he wanted to in order to eat its flesh. Even vegetarians who abhor meat eating and who practice vegetarianism on ethical grounds admit that here we are faced with a biblical text which clearly sanctions the killing of animals and eating of their flesh. All they can say is that due to the fallen and corrupt nature of humanity God gave a “concession” concerning meat diet but it was not His ideal as in Genesis 1:30 where God ideally prescribed a completely vegetarian diet. But nothing can be further from the truth.

The early Jewish Christians who were the descendants of the original disciples of Jesus argued their vegetarianism on the basis of this passage. The Jewish Encyclopedia, art. Jewish Christian Sects, points out that these early believers referred to the 4th verse of Genesis 9 in order to show that it is sin to kill an animal and to justify their vegetarian diet. I will first of all give the version of this passage as is rendered in the Good News Bible where it is impossible to miss the point that the translator wanted to bring across:

“All the animals, birds, and fish will live in fear of you. They are all placed under your power. Now you can eat them, as well as green plants; I give them all to you for food. The one thing you must not eat is meat with blood still in it; I forbid this because the life is in the blood.”
And now please note the translation given in The Bible for Today:

“All animals, birds, reptiles, and fish will be afraid of you. I have placed them under your control, and I have given them to you for food. From now on, you may eat them, as well as the green plants that you have always eaten. But life is in the blood, and you must not eat any meat that still has blood in it.”

Now please note The Living Bible – Life Application Bible:

“All wild animals and birds and fish will be afraid of you, God told him; for I have placed them in your power, and they are yours to use for food, in addition to grain and vegetables. But never eat animals unless their life-blood has been drained off.”

The lying pen of the scribe was not at work just in the days of Jeremiah but it is very much at work today also. These translations are nothing but plain and blunt lies. At least they reveal very plainly that before the Flood Noah was vegetarian and that he ate only grain and vegetables even though he lived many centuries after Adam’s alleged fall. Some Jewish and Christian sects actually used this passage to prove vegetarianism and the fact that killing of animals is expressly forbidden by God. Most others however have used and still use this passage in order to justify their butchering and mass slaughter of animals in order to eat their flesh. What a paradox! The same text is used to prove and justify two diametrically opposed ideas. So what does the text of Genesis 9:2-4 really say? Let me first tell you what it does not say. It does not say that we can KILL or SLAUGHTER animals in order to sacrifice them to God or to eat their flesh.

The word “animal” does not even appear in the Hebrew text, although these translations use it in order to mislead you. The text does not say that you must not eat simply “blood” – as vast majority of Jews and Christians would want you to believe. So what does the text actually say? God here reverses the status between all animals and humans. Just before the Flood, animals became corrupt and wild and killed one another and they also killed and devoured human beings. So God now reversed the status to its original condition. He again subjected all living creatures to the dominion of man. This of course in no way means that this dominion of man gives him the right to kill, slaughter and butcher animals in order to gratify his lust after meat. All things were subjected under Adam and he had complete control and dominion over them but this authority most certainly did not give him permission to slaughter animals for food. Adam was told to be an herbivores being all his life. Please note the text as it stands in the King James Bible:

“And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hands are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb I have given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.”

God told Noah that “all moving things which are alive” shall be his for food. This most certainly did not include his wife, sons and their wives, even though they were “living things.” The Hebrew word translated in the KJV “moving things” or “animals” in other versions is actually “remes” which most certainly refers to “reptiles.” Because Noah could not eat herbs and fruits just after the Flood, since it took some months before they became available and in season, God permitted Noah to live on eggs of the reptiles – since it was very easy to access them. All other animals however were to live on grass – which was already available at the end of the Flood. The Greek Septuaging Bibe clearly states that God spoke only of the reptiles and not all animas. Please note how Sir. Lancelot Brenton translates the Greek text:

 "And the dread and the fear of you shall be upon all the wild beasts of the earth, on all the birds of the sky, and on all things moving upon the earth, and upon all fishes of the sea, I have placed them under your power. AND EVERY REPTILE WHICH IS LIVING shall be to you for meat, I have given all things to you as the green herbs. But flesh with blood of life ye shall not eat."

Think for a moment. Why would God allow Noah and his family to kill any animal they desired to eat when even carnivorous animals continued to eat herbs and grass? Even carnivorous animals had to live on grass and not on living prey as later - when the change took place. Lions could not have hunted their prey nor other carnivorous animals. There were only a pair of each specie alive at that time. Or if you prefer the other version then one pair of all so called unclean animals and seven or fourteen of the so called clean. If the carnivorous animals killed and ate only one of the few so called unclean animals that specie would not have survived and God's original purpose in preserving each spcie would have been destroyed.

Verse 4 irrefutably proves that the passage under no circumstances could be interpreted that Noah was given  permission to kill absolutely any animal that came out of the Ark with him. Verse 4 explicitly states:

“But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.”

This does not mean that you simply must not eat flesh or meat without blood or that meat should be koshered and blood removed from it. The biological fact is: no matter what you do you can never remove all the blood from the flesh of a slaughtered animal. The text does not say that you must not eat “blood” but it says that you must not eat “flesh with blood.” Since you can never actually partake of flesh or meat without at the same time also eating blood, it logically follows that you must not eat meat. But the fact is: the Hebrew text does not speak about flesh or meat in a literal sense which is actually cut or removed from the carcase of a slaughtered animal. The expression “flesh” has been used many times throughout the Bible to mean “living creature” and it has been used several times in reference to the Flood. By closely examining the context in which it is used we shall see that God never meant that we must not eat flesh which is stained with blood but rather that we must not kill and eat animals “living creatures” in whose veins blood circulates. In Genesis 6:12 God says:

“For all flesh had corrupted their way.”

Flesh in this statement does not and cannot mean “meat” but actually “animate beings.” In verse 13 God said:

“The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them.”

Again God was not talking about meat but rather living or animate beings that corrupted their original way of life and God given ordinances. Verse 19 clearly shows that “flesh” in fact includes “all living things”:

“Of every living thing of all flesh.”

Verse 15 also clearly shows that “flesh” refers to animate creatures or animals as animate beings and not meat which you eat:

“And they [all animals] went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh.”

Verse 21 again positively proves that “flesh” does not refer to meat but rather all living creatures:

“And all flesh died that moved upon the earth.”

In chapter 8:17 God says to Noah:

“Bring forth with you every living thing that is with you, of all flesh.”

So in every single case where the word “flesh” is used by God in chapters which deal with the Flood, the word applies to all living creatures, that is, animate beings in whose nostrils was the breath of life. Now let’s take a look again at the passage of Genesis 9:4 where God actually speaks and gives Noah a specific prohibition concerning his diet. In other words, here God tells Noah what he must not eat under any circumstance:

“But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.”

What God actually said to Noah is this: you may eat fruit of the reptiles which contain seed just as you ate grain, herbs and fruits which contained seed, but beings or creatures or souls which are alive or animate whose life is in the blood you shall not eat. The text clearly prohibits the slaughter of animals for food whose life is in the blood. This is precisely how the original and earliest Jewish Christians actually understood the passage. Jewish Encyclopaedia points out that the earliest Jewish Christian sects argued their vegetarianism on the very statement of Genesis 9:4. They argued that in this passage God expressly forbade Noah to kill animals in order to eat their flesh. Before Noah entered the Ark, God told him to take with him all manner of food which is edible so that there would be food for him and the animals. This irrefutably proves that there was no carnivorous animal in the Ark since the Hebrew text plainly shows that  food taken was for the herbivorous animals. The text of Genesis 9:2-4 therefore does not teach what the Church has claimed all these centuries but it rather irrefutably proves that Noah was vegetarian and that all animals at that time reverted back to vegetarianism as it was in the beginning and as it shall be in the end. That God did not speak of all animals but rather only of the reptiles is very simple to demonstrate.

God told Noah that “all moving things which are alive” shall be his for food. The Hebrew word translated in the KJV “moving things” or “animals” in the Good News Bible is actually “remes” which most certainly refers to “reptiles.” There is a definite and clear distinction in the Bible between animals, birds and reptiles. This distinction is pointed out at the very time they were created. Genesis 1:24 shows that God created all living creatures: “cattle,” “creeping things,” and “beasts” of the Earth. Verse 25 states:

“And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind.”

The beasts are those animals which we call wild beasts. The cattle refer to animals we now refer to as domesticated and herbivorous. The creeping things refer to all the reptiles. The Hebrew word used is “remes” and most definitely refers to reptiles. In Genesis 6:20 God again made the distinction between other animals and reptiles, that is, “remes,” translated “creeping thing” in the King James Bible. In Genesis 7:14 we again find a clear distinction in the animal kingdom:

“They [Noah and his household], and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind [remes], and every fowl after his kind.”

In verse 23 we find this statement:

“And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven.”

A clear distinction between man, cattle, birds and reptiles that is, “remes” who “creep” or “move” on the ground. With this firmly fixed in our minds, let us return to Genesis 9:2-3 where we read:

“And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.”

The first thing we must note in this text is the fact that there is a distinction between the fishes of the sea, the birds of the air, the beasts of the Earth and the one who “moveth upon the earth.” The King James translators have used the words “moveth” in this case instead of “creepeth”  as they have done in other passages. It means one and the same: “to glide or crawl” and is used in reference to reptiles. Cattle, sheep, goats, chickens, etc., are not reptiles and therefore they were not included in “all that moveth upon the earth” of which God spoke to Noah. God spoke to Noah only about “remes” that is, reptiles who crawl or creep upon the ground and who lay eggs in order to reproduce. It is as simple as that.

Since some can refer to the law of clean and unclean in order to prove that God allowed the consumption of meat, I have this to say concerning it. Leviticus 11 and Numbers 14 display lack of knowledge and contradict established scientific facts. I am convinced that God does not make mistakes. Neither is He ever ignorant of scientific facts. In these two chapters we find prohibition to eat any animal that does not “chew the cud.” Animals that “chew the cud” are known as RUMINANTS. They have more than one stomach. Leviticus 11:5-6 [King James Bible] states:  

“And the CONEY, because he CHEWETH THE CUD, but devideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the HARE, because he CHEWETH THE CUD, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. 

Coney is a hyrax or rock badger. The hare is a rabbit. It is alleged that in this text God forbade the Israelites to eat the flesh of  CONEY and RABBIT because they ONLY CHEW THE CUD but do not have a split hoof. God could have never stated that these animals actually CHEW THE CUD. The only person who could have said so is the person who did not know their biological composition and was ignorant of scientific facts. Neither coney nor the rabbit actually CHEW THE CUD, nor are they RUMINANT ANIMALS. They indeed appear to CHEW THE CUD and a person who is not aware of the scientific facts could be mislead to think they are RUMINANTS - chewing the cud.

Please note the comment on this passage quoted from The New American Bible: 

“According to modern zoology, the ROCK BADGER [hyrax Syriacus] is classified as an ungulate, and the HARE as a rodent; NEITHER IS RUMINANT. They APPEAR to chew their food as the true ruminants do, and it is upon this appearance that the classification in the text is based” [page 103]. 

Gleason Archer, although a firm believer in the infallibility of the Bible admits the following facts in regards to Leviticus 11: 

“Leviticus 11:5 refers to the sapan [or Hyrax syriacus] as an unclean animal [e.g. unfit for sacrifice or human consumption] because “thou it chews cud, it does not divide the hoof” [NASB]. Clean animals had to do both to be eligible for food. The question at issue is the chewing of the cud. Did [or does] the sapan [translated “coney” in KJV and  “rock badger” in NASB] really “chew the cud” [Heb. maaleh gerah, lit., “literally raising up what has been swallowed”]? Similarly in Leviticus 11:6 the same statement is made about the ‘arnebet’ [“rabbit,” “hare”]. Does the hare RUMINATE? The answer to both statements MUST BE IN THE NEGATIVE so far as the actual digestive process is concerned. True ruminants normally have four stomachs, and that which has been worked over in these stomachs is regurgitated into the mouth when it is ready to be chewed again...NEITHER HYRAX NOR THE HARE can be called RUMINANTS, but they do give the APPEARANCE of chewing their cud in the same way ruminants do” [Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties, p. 126]. 

Zondervan NIV Bible Commentary - although it recognises the Bible as inspired, admits the following fact: 

“The description is not SCIENTIFICALLY PRECISE but one of EXTERNAL APPEARANCES” [page 138]. 

There is another point I want to make which also proves that the law concerning clean and unclean was not given by God. Bees are classified as unclean. Yet the Jews and all those who accept the law of clean and unclean eat bee honey. But they regard milk of a mare or camel as unclean since the animals that give it are unclean. In old times it was not known that bees actually eat the pollen and convert it as honey which they regurgitate. Honey is the product of bees just as milk is the product of mammals. But the author of Leviticus and Numbers did not prohibit bee honey because he was ignorant of the scientific facts. God would have never made such a mistake if He was the giver of the law concerning clean and unclean.  

Since some would point to Mark 7 where it is stated that Jesus said that nothing can defile that enters mouth as p[roof that it is OK to eat meat - I have this to say. The passage has to be a forgery for several reasons. First, there are things that would defile if they enter our mouths. For example: human flesh. A drunkard defiles his body with alcohol. A drug addict defiles his body with drugs. A smoker defiles his body with tobacco. If the statement of Jesus as recorded in Mark 7 was authentic, then Paul would have referred to eat when he dealt with the vegetarian believers in Rome. Since he did not but rather stated that it is better not to eat meat or drink wine than to offend the vegetarian believers, this proves that Jesus never made such a statement. Otherwise Paul would have simply referred to it. Furthermore, if Jesus really taught that then the believers in Rome would not have had a reason to abstain from meat and wine. But they did so because the Twelve did the same and James, Jesus' brother was also a vegetarian from his birth. For full details regarding this read my article 'Paul had Problems with Vegetarian Believers - Here is Why.'  

I need to say something about the four footed animals that Peter saw in a vision since this is used to prove that God told Peter to kill animals and eat their flesh. The vision is used to prove that even the law concerning clean and unclean has been abolished and that now we can eat all kinds of animals. However, those who follow the levitical law of clean and unclean argue that Peter refused to kill and eat because the animals were not clean in accordance with Leviticus 11. But this is not the case. In the sheet were also so called CLEAN animals. Peter could have at least selected some sheep or cattle and killed but he didn’t. Simply because he considered all flesh defiled and unclean. Peter was vegetarian as he himself states in Clementine Homilies. Acts 10:12 plainly states that the sheet contained ALL KINDS of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things and birds of the air. At creation animals were divided into four footed domesticated animals, wild animals, reptiles and birds. Since in the sheet were all kinds of four – footed animals it means that there were also sheep and goats and since there were all kinds of birds it means that there were also the so called clean and edible birds. But Peter would not kill any of them because he knew that this vision had another meaning. Peter perceived  that he should not consider any man common or defiled. Any animal which is slaughtered is defiled and its meat defiles. Peter explains this in Clementine Homilies. By the way, the reply of Peter proves that Mark 7 is not authentic since Peter would not hesitate to kill an animal if Jesus taught him that nothing can defile that he eats.  

For proof that Jesus did not eat fish read my article 'Did Jesus Eat Fish.' For proof that Jesus did not eat the Passover lamb read my article 'Proof that Jesus Did not eat the Passover Lamb.'

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written by Dennis, September 20, 2010

The root form of the Hebrew word translated as either "creeping" or "moving" (as noted in the article) is (phonetically) "rmsh", and is translated "insect, creeping thing, reptile". This, however, leads to a question, which I sincerely would like to know the answer to (because I have no idea): Why was a list of "clean animals" specified in Levit 11 and Deut 12? I'm sincerely looking for an answer... I have no "argument"...

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written by John Vujicic, January 21, 2011

The law of Clean and Unclean has been written by the lying scribes. It states that a rabbit should not be eaten because though it chews the cud id does not have a split hoof. God could have never said that rabbits chew the cud because they dont. The are not rumminants but they only give appearance that they chew the cud and the ancients mistakenly believed that rabbits chew the cud. Also, why did the scribes prohibit the use of milk of all unclean animals including a camel, a mare etc., but permitted the use of bee honey? They mistakenly believed that the bes only collected the pollen but now we know that honey is a product of bees and therefor should be prohibited since bees a classified as unclean. God says that He does not change and therefore |His dietary law does not change. We are told to believe that originally God prescribed a vegetarian diet, then allowed
oah to eat all kinds of animals, then through Moeses clean only, then through Jesus all kinds of animals and then in the Kingodm vegetarian diet again. God is not a lunatic but consistenmt and all those laws which contradict his divine and perfect nature are lies as He Himself says in Jeremiah 8.8. Regards and thanks for your remarks.

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written by Phil, March 12, 2011

You said, "Cattle, sheep, goats, chickens, etc., are not reptiles and therefore they were not included in “all that moveth upon the earth” of which God spoke to Noah." However Abraham had no problem serving "butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared.Let us just accept the simple word of God and not try to help. Jews ate lamb during the passover and other special feasts. So Noah did have the option of eating every living thing. The topic is the eating of Animals not the eating of Human Beings. That was a poor example. Finally Paul said in 1Tim 4:3-4 "Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer

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Question regarding your explanation regarding eating of animals
written by Fernando Pineda, March 21, 2011

I would like to direct you to another living thing.
This is for the sake of understanding and not to pose opposition.

Jesus multiplied bread and fish and served it. Fish also have blood and vains going through its flesh.
My this action, is the Lord telling us that Fish is exempt from the prohibition of eating meat?
Because I know God is not a hypocrite and God does not contradict Himself; how do you bridge your commentaries to God breaking bread with people, eating bread and fish?

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written by John Vujicic, March 25, 2011

Original manuscripts did not mention fish, as is evident from the quotation of the church father Irenaeus. Jesus himself always referred only to the leftover bread in the baskets and never mentioned fish. Some scholars even argue that the word 'fishweeds' was misunderstood for fish.Even if I was to accept the fact that Jesus multiplied the fish, the fact remians that they were already dead. Jessu did not kill fish. Besides, the sea creatures are biblical enigma. Nothing is said of their food in the beginning of creation and nothing at the time of the Flood. If there will be no more sea on the New Earth it means that there will be no more sea creatures but there will be other animals for the lion will eat straw like an ox. Luke wrote that Jesus ate fish and honey in Jerusalem in the evening the day he rose. But Matthew and Mark irrefuteably prove that this was a later interpolation and therefore a forgery. Read my article 'Did Jesus Eat Fish?'

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written by Boaz, June 18, 2011

Heather, evil (and I mean EVIL!!!) is speciesism, what animal abolitionism is not.

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Dorry worry; be happy, be vegan!
written by Barbara Noon, July 11, 2011

The passage in the Bible looks like it was written to make men think they are superior and that all animals will be afraid because men are so "special," and that man can do anything he wishes. Taking the blood out probably came from custom, as it most likely tasted better without the blood. This was written by man, for man. No need to pour over the Bible and worry about translating it wrong. Just don't follow it! It is obviously cruel/ obviously wrong. Eat vegan. Be kind to animals.

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to barbara noon
written by stev0, November 23, 2011

the bible is obviously cruel?? so dont foollow it? how ignorant!!!

Jesus' main message: "LOVE". love your neighbor as yourself. be kind. repent of your sins (e.g. stealing killing lying etc., which hurt others) and turn to God and live in the SPIRIT, in LOVE, PEACE, KINDNESS GOODNESS etc. (Galatians 5:22)... dude?????????? the Bible is cruel and wrong???

YOU are wrong and deceived for saying that.
the Bible has done more to improve the world than any book has or ever will. try again with your freakin vegan comments. ...oh by the way IM A VEGETARIAN so i agree with your message of hating cruelty to animals! but i disagree with you bashing the Bible which you obviously know almost nothing about. read it more and freakin find out what it actually says! start with the New testament

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Flesh eating and its prohibition...
written by TonJr, February 24, 2012

The author of this site could still be wrong in the eyes of God but what I can say is this: "If you are doubtful of anything, abstinence from eating flesh and other creatures that move, creep, etc. is the best thing to do." I have turned vegan this year (2012). Thanks for God's guidance and grace! First and foremost, I turned vegan because I want to practice mercy to my fellow creatures; secondly, I became vegan for health reasons; lastly, I want to be in heaven someday where the food of the saints come from the tree of life (Revelation 22: 2).

I appreciate all of the comments I have read above but I encourage everyone to please stay calm, pliant and act more loving and refrain from sending sarcastic comments. Because "by their fruit ye shall know them." Matthew 7: 16.

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blood and life
written by peter, March 18, 2012

I can see the reason and logic of rejecting violence of any kind toward man or beast, clearly a god of love has no desire to watch us cull animals for our belly"s sake, no matter how much human"s try to justify it, especially when slaughter houses will do the killing part for you,. Rather the disturbing thing is that trusted scribes have tampered with scripture, even added scripture for the furthering of world power and dominance, so to mislead the people away from the simple requirements of the god of creation who only asks in return a loving balance for and toward all creation, man or beast,. Look at the world honestly, we are witnessing the slow painful death of a living planet, clearly the human, independent of god approach is not working, and so the creator shall step in, I doubt any of us shall stand as innocent, we shall see.. kind regards

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written by Lind, June 21, 2012

Such DECEIVING HOGWASH!!! That means THIS is all feces, manure, poop...you get the picture!

This isn't even worth trying to straighten out.

Read your Bibles people--this guy is a lefty PETA lunatic!

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Where not the disciples of Jesus fisherman?
written by Vincent , July 19, 2012

Where not the disciples of Jesus fisherman? Or is this just more propaganda of the lying scribes?

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written by administrator/John, July 26, 2012

They were fishermen and for that very reason he called them from their profession.

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vegan
written by dominick virgilio, August 22, 2012

GOD WAS SO MAD AT ADAM AND EVE THAT HE HAD TO CLOTH THEM WITH THE SKINS GOD STILL HATES THE SALUGHTER OF HIS CREATURES,YOU EAT MEAT YOU PUT A CURSE ON YOURSELF, HOW ABOUT HEART ,CANCER COLITIS, STROKES, EVEN WORSE DAIRY NOE THATS A DOUBLE CURSE, THINK ABOUT IT WHEN YOU SIT DOWN WITH YOUR BIG MAC OR GRAND SLAM BREAKEFAST ENJOY GO-VEGAN

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written by dominick virgilio, November 27, 2012

the life of the flesh is in your "BLOOD" LEV 17:11, 14 WHATEVER YOU PUT IN YOUR BODY WILL DETERMINE YOUR STATES OF HEALTH CHERRIES(FRUITS) IS A LIFE BLOOD FOOD THAT PRODUCES LIFE, MEAT IS A DEAD FOOD THAT PRODUCES "DEATH" SIMPLE AS THAT,YOU LUST FLESH EATER YOU ARE NOT EVEN SAVED, YESHUA SAID AFTER THE RESERACTION " HAVE YOU ANYTHING TO EAT (FRUITS OR BREAD) NOT HAVE YOU ANY "MEAT" THE LYING PEN OF THE MURDERING MEAT EASTERS 1COR 6:19 1COR 3:17 IS WHAT HE WILL DO TO YOU IF DON'T STOP POLLUTING HIS TEMPLE "REPENT" OR YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR "SIN" GO-VEGAN YESHUA

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Pozycjonowanie
written by Pozycjonowanie, November 28, 2012

Bardzo dobro pozycjonowanie

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Largo
written by Largo, November 29, 2012

Let us just accept the simple word of God and not try to help. Jews ate lamb during the passover and other special feasts.

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written by javi, November 29, 2012

Please Clarify. Is it vegan diet or a whole foods plant based diet with reptiles(turtles, lizards,snakes, and crocodiles?

("God told Noah that “all moving things which are alive” shall be his for food. This most certainly did not include his wife, sons and their wives, even though they were “living things.” The Hebrew word translated in the KJV “moving things” or “animals” in other versions is actually “remes” which most certainly refers to “reptiles.”)

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written by robin, December 06, 2012

Download the free program esword and check for yourself. I just did ant this person is absolutely right. The root word translation says to eat plants and reptiles. I think I'll just go vegetarian because I don't really want to eat animals anyway especially reptiles. Almost everything in the new testament seems to contradict the old so I don't pay much attention to that any way. If you wan't to know the truth about the new testament watch zeitgeist. As a christian I found it offensive but it did open my eyes.

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written by Elsje Massyn, April 15, 2014

Thank you for investigating and searching for truth. I am a VEGAN (first became a vegetarian) and then vegan, because I found out how animals are exploited and abused in abattoirs on farms and cultures. Then I searched the scriptures. If one look for the character of Yahweh in scripture one looks for kindness, goodness, love, long suffering (According to Galatians 5 and 1 Corinthians 13) - I cannot imagine someone saying God is love and at the same time slit the throat of a living creature in the name of love.

Genesis 1: 29 is good enough for me. God's original plan for us was vegetarianism/veganism. Its good, healthy and keeps our bodies free from disease. A cow's milk is designed for her calf. The human mother's milk is designed for the human baby. I cannot imagine Yeshua(Jesus) being a shepherd of sheep and turning around and slaughtering the same sheep that heard his voice and followed him. (read John 10). That would be psychopath and scizophrenic. I believe the scriptures have been tampered with and twisted by translators and spiritual leaders. Read the Book of Enoch and you will find that it fits perfectly into Genesis 6 of the Bible (where there is a large gap of unanswered questions)

We need to think for ourselves and stop following false shepherds in churches and synagogues because were to lazy to search for truth ourselves

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written by DarkQoob, July 08, 2014

Great argument.

HOWEVER, why are we even discussing a man that built a boat which was big enough to accommodate every single animal on earth. This is an impossible task and therefore I would be questioning whether it even happened in the first place.

If it didn't happen like many other things in the Bible, I suspect, then what is the point of debating any particular principle that the Bible has to offer?

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written by DarkQoob, July 08, 2014

If there is a God then he would be bitterly disappointing that man has lost his ability to apply reason. Come on.... Noah put two of every land and air based species on earth into a boat!?

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Evil spirit at work here
written by Zack, August 11, 2014

Deception is clearly this writers intent. Please read 2 Timothy 4:
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

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Canines are for meat and so is the predator spirit which is God given and lives in all of us.
written by Dan, August 18, 2014

Where to begin...

First open the bible. Second read it in context. Third, apply a bit of common God given sense.

The vegetarian life of animals and of Man ended after the fall. God gave Adam and eve animal skins for clothing. Cain raised sheep for food and sacrificed them to God as an offering.

Abel grew crops and that was his sacrifice. God did not approve of Cain's sacrifice. Not because it was a dead animal but because his heart was full of jealousy and hatred.

Cain stayed with his herd (in my mind using common sense this means there were already animals trying to eat his flock.)

The need for animals to eat each other was necessary after the fall when God said be fruitful and multiply...Look at conservation today and understand how we manage wildlife.

Why did the flood happen? It had nothing to do with people enjoying steak or bacon. Men were living in utter violence killing one another and the rest of Gods creatures without cause or need. They were living in violent rebellion against Him and the earth ached from the unjust murder taking place constantly on its soil. Much like abortions taking place by the millions today. God values human life above that of beasts. We should care for animals but we are allowed to eat them.

There are massive health advantages to having some red meat in your diet.

I have yet to see a "healthy" vegan.

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written by Dan, August 18, 2014

Cain was in fact the farmer and Abel the shepherd! and God favored Abel's meat offering! This is in fact even more confirming evidence that in the Bible within moderation God condoned the slaughter of animals even pre-flood.

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written by Alex Rataezyk, September 30, 2014

Hi,

What was the particular argument that the early Jewish Christians gave for their believe that 9:4 justified vegetarianism? I read a bit in the article that seemed to suggest that they understood God to say that one could not eat flesh, as that defined by that which bleeds. I am still curious why God would have allowed eating reptile eggs rather than just perhaps giving Noah and his family manna.

The reason that I ask this question about the Jewish Christian argument is because I was reading about James' vegetarianism in James the Brother of Jesus by Robert Eisenman and he seems to claim that the only reason that James and the other apostle were vegetarian is because they couldn't sacrifice animals the correct way. He links this to Noah sacrificing in chapter 8 and God's permission to eat meat as a result of this sacrifice. Therefore, Eisenman seems to suggest that the apostles were not vegetarians on moral grounds.

Also, I was wondering if the fact that the blood being on the animals is in verse 5 might suggest that animals are still supposed to be vegetarian. It says that you are required not to eat flesh or blood, and I will require your life if you violate this, and I will require the life of animals if they violate this. And I will also require the life of a man if he takes the life of another man. Am I understanding this correctly?

Thanks,
Alex

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written by administrator John, October 13, 2014

The Jewish Christians understood verse 4 to imply prohibition of killing living creatures for food. Animals were meant to be herbivorous even after the Flood otherwise the carnivore would have annihilated the herbivore before they would have multiplied. Eisenman is simply mistaken in his assertion that James was not a vegetarian on ethical grounds. He is also mistaken when he asserts that James was a revolutionary and in a way a supporter of the siccari movement. The Church Fathers unanimously testify that James never tasted flesh from his mother's womb. The Ebionites regarded James as the bulwark of early believers and the chief of all apostles. The Church Fathers also testified that James was appointed a Bishop. It does not matter whether Ebionites were orthodox or heretical believers. What matters is the fact that they were vegetarian on ethical grounds and that they hated and despised the sacrificial cultus. As such they would not have identified James as the chief and most honoured apostle if he sanctioned bloody sacrificial cult.

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Life stems from the heart...
written by Naan, October 14, 2014

"Take care of your heart before anyhing that you take care of, as LIFE stems form it!" The wisest Jewish king on earth before Our Lord wrote this in the Proverbs...

Fourlegged animals and birds have four heart chambers and three heartvalves, JUST LIKE HUMAN BEINGS.

Reptiles have three heart chambers and two heartvalves, and their nervous system is not such that pain or fear is experienced as opposed to those with a more complex heart and nervous system.

The fish (although not sea animals like whales sharks and dolphins) have 2 heart chambers and only one heart valve. Their nervous system and blood vessels are internal, and do not propogate towards the outer skin. If it had been so, they would go numb when they swim into icy waters that holds only + 4 degrees Celcius under the watery surface... This means also that kosher fish do not experience pain as warm blooded creatures with a more complex heart and nervous system does.

I am a vegetarian, eating hen-eggs and drinking cow-milk from animals that are daily allowed outside their "houses". I also eat cosher fish as I believe that they are NOT designed by G-D to feel pain or to need my mercy. I do not believe in catching fish by hook though, as the only place that the fish would have any nerves would be in their tongues, in order to distinguish what and what not to eat.

If I am wrong about this, I pray that Abraham, Yitshaak and Yaacovs G-D will guide me further on the path of LIFE.

When it comes to the sacrifice of our Lord Yeshuah, then one understands that G-D uses the Lamb as a symbol of our lord, as it has the same complex heart and nervous system as a human being does. Hence, to kill a lamb as well as other land creatures should only be done in the deepest of reverence and not in a treadmill factory where most animals end their lives today. Those treadmill animal killing factories did NOT exist when Peter had his vision about the table-cloth with the living (not dead) creatures on it either. I believe that the way that animals are murdered today is despicable in the eyes of their creator, and will be avenged by HIM SOON.

G-D was NOT fond of the Isrealittes when they hungered for MEAT instead of the meatless manna that He gave them in the desert. That is why G-D sendt hordes of birds over the Isreali kamp, so that their greed for meet ended when they had stuffed themselves so much with it that it came out again through their nostrills and ears, and eventually killed them through suffocation.

Other stories about vegetarians whom were blessed in the Bible we find when we read about Shadrak, Meeshak and Abed-Nego, the three friends of Daniel, as well as Daniel himself. It is recorded in the book of the prophet Daniel that the three friends were the wisest and the healthiest of the kings men in Persia at the time, exactly because that they did NOT partake in the fat meat courses of the king, but only consumed vegetables.

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ISRAEL EXISTS ONLY THANKS TO A VEGETABLE STEW...
written by Naan, October 14, 2014

Not many people think about this Biblical story, but it actually states clearly in the Bible that if Yaacov / Jacob had not made a vegetable lentil stew, then his not so favored brother Esau "the animal hunter", whom had not gotten any animal pray to eat that day, could not have sold his birth right to Yaacov / Jacob for a lentil vegetable stew to ease his hunger!

Yaacov was favored by G-D and he got the birthright thanks to his Vegetable lentil Stew.

Thus Israel are G-Ds chosen people and they are the brothers of our Lord instead of the descendants of the animal killer Esau...

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written by Doug, October 17, 2016

are you the LORD
His ways are as far apart as the heaven s and the earth we are to be humble quiet acting like you are god and knows what GOD is saying be kind and humble because GOD does whatever he chooses learn by the spirit not the preacher who are just as sinful as us be humble and dont worry about but be ready when the LORD comes all this other stuff is worthless

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